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Democrats celebrating way too soon on health care
by: Bill Dupray posted: 2009-11-08 10:17:00
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Democrats are certainly jubilant over the passage of PelosiCare last night by a vote of 220-215, a margin of just 5 votes. But one wonders how comfortable supporters of the bill are with such a razor-thin victory. After all, Cap and Tax passed the House by 7 votes and that is, in all likelihood, dead in the Senate.
The problem is that despite a 75 seat majority in the House, they squeezed it through with only five. In the Senate, the Democrats need 60 to break a filibuster, and several Democrat Senators have expressed deep reservations about the breadth and expense of the bill . . . and the Senate bill is nowhere near as broad and expensive as Pelosi's. Also, in the House, the minority party cannot control or obstruct the majority. In the Senate, not only can a minority party obstruct legislation, a single Senator can do it.
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) has flat-out said he will filibuster the bill. Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) will not support the Public Option.
And they are not the only ones.
Independent Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman said Tuesday that he would support a Republican filibuster against the bill unless it's changed. Key Democratic moderates including Sens. Evan Bayh, D-Ind.; Ben Nelson, D-Neb.; and Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., also said they were uncertain how they'd vote, expressing deep reservations about the public plan.And Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, the only Republican to have voted for any version of health care reform, reiterated Tuesday that she's "disappointed" in Reid's proposal and will not support the government option.
The wavering, and in some cases crumbling, support for the package demonstrates how much of a gamble the Nevada Democrat took by unveiling a bill Monday that includes the controversial government plan but has no Republican backing. And it's a reminder of the warnings made months ago by Senate Democrats like Kent Conrad, D-N.D., that a public plan simply does not have the votes to pass and should not be included in the final bill.
In politics there are battles and there are wars. Republicans, for example, won the wars this week in Virginia and New Jersey. Republicans really will control those states for the next 4 years. The Democrats won a battle last night, the first of five that will take place on this issue. They still need to win the battle in the Senate, get a joint bill out of conference committee, and win final passage in each chamber. And last night's 5 vote victory was the easiest of the five.
So while the celebrations continue, just remember, the same folks cheered and danced their jigs after Cap and Tax too, and look how that is turning out.
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Well, you are in good company. Independents voted for Republicans by about 2:1 margins last Tuesday in Virginia and New Jersey. If the vote were held today, I think it would be even higher. The idiotic part of this is that if the Senate kills the deal, the Dems in the House still pay the price, just like on Cap and Tax. How these idiots don't learn is beyond me. Last night's vote will mean more opposition from independents to Dems in the midterms, not less.
yep. 100% agree with your statement:
"Last night's vote will mean more opposition from independents to Dems in the midterms, not less. "
plus, more dems are just dems-in-name-only, they are actually indepedents. Me? I am actually changing my registration to independent, however, I have many dem friends absolutely livid at this crap that is going on in DC, and are just as disgusted.
The number of independents is growing and their oppisition to this crap is growing very fast as well.
Welcome to the party. I've been an independent for several years now, ever since I watched the pubs leave my values. I don't and never have vote a party platform. I am me: My values, my priorities. I will never join an organized party again.
and btw.. if there are any liberal trolls reading this. Yes, indeed I WAS a democrat for decades, voted for Gore and Kerry *shuddering*. This is no longer the Democratic Party, it is the communist/marxist party.
I voted for Hillary clinton, and could not vote for that self-avowed Marxist Obama, so I voted for a republican the second time in my voting history, Palin. The first republican I ever voted for was Ronald Reagan, I was a "Reagan Democrat", and I consider myself a Palin Democrat/Independent.
If you go to websites like hillbuzz.org, yes they are hillary supporting sites, but these are moderate democrats (moderate when it comes to social issues), but pretty conservative when it comes to fiscal, individual rights issues, national security issues.
I will be voting and campaigning against every freaking democrat starting now. Like I said, the democrats have bigger problems, they have not only lost repubs (if they ever had them), they are now bleeding conservative democrat VOTERS && Independent VOTERS!
God Bless the USA... this is a fight I will join with conservatives. We are Americans first!
You voted for gore and kerry? oh my, f those people that suggest the independent tent is big, eh? glad you're feeling much better now.
I was over on HillBuzz a lot last year during the primaries and in the general. They are the PUMA's and many visited us over here to share in our opposition to Obama. You are right, they are decent, traditional Americans, very different from the radical leftists who have hijacked their party. You will recall that Reagan was a Democrat for years until his party's policies moved too far to the left and he became a Republican. He said that he didn't abandon his party, it abandoned him. Now, you and the PUMA's are experiencing the exact same thing.
I've just got to put my 2 cents in here. BTW, Bill, great post.
I've never considered myself a republican or a democrat & never vote a straight ticket. I will admit that I even voted for Bill Clinton - once. Whew, that's still hard to admit. Republicans do not represent me well. All of the ensconced politicians in DC need to go. Some of the republicans at least seem to be making the effort to communicate with their constituents on the real issues, but if you ask me it's too little too late.
I still think that enough of us have them surrounded that we ought to load 'em all up on a C-130 & air drop them into Alcatraz then go about the business of cleaning up the mess they have all made. I include POTUS, his czars, & SCOTUS in the "all" of them. Just can't seem to convince anyone else that it's a good idea. Sigh...
Is there any reason to think the same thing that happened last week won't happen next year? The Dems won't change course, and if they do, well that is all the better for everyone in the long run. We survived the year since the election, which, like Clinton's first year, is probably the worst of it. Election years are notorious for not passing controversial legislation. If we can just kill ObamaCare, the storm will have passed.
Bill, you are such an optimistic guy. Quite refreshing. I have to disagree with one point, however. I don't think the storm will have passed until obama, his czars, & most of Congress are removed from office by whatever legal means necessary.
The hell with legal removal, I'd settle for a couple of burly guys with bad breath, a roll of duct tape, and an unmarked van.
Then can we please dump them all at Alcatraz? PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE? We can then air drop supplies every 6 months or so & let 'em distribute the wealth among themselves. Shouldn't be long before they are killing each other for a bigger piece of the pie. We'd need lots of popcorn for that.
yes, HillBuzz is great, the Democrat party has been hijacked by america-hating lunatics, this is no longer the party of JFK.
BTW... you guys will enjoy HillBuzz's latest piece:
Sorry, don't know why part of my message was hyperlinked..
Hillbuzz's article is called: "How Liberty Dies…to thunderous applause"
I can't count on my 2 Senators: Warner & WEbb. my apologies to the country. yes, I am humiliated.
You think you got it bad, Kelley? One of my senators is Arlen Specter.
I think Jim Webb and maybe even Warner may surprise you. Neither is on the Committees that drafted this thing and Webb said (at the link) that though he would not join in the filibuster (which is significant, except that Lieberman may pull it off without him) he would not guarantee that he would support the final bill.
This post has been linked for the HOT5 Daily 11/9/2009, at The Unreligious Right
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The dems have a bigger problem. Conservative democrats like me have abondened the party as well, these people are essentially Communists. I am not a republican, I am now an independent voter who is sick of what they are doing to this country!
Yes, the repubs are against this, but so are millions of independents as well as democrats like me, who will be joining the ever growing number of independents opposed to this digusting pile of crap!