all the guy has to do is show his birth cert - the same thing we do to get a passport. i just don't get the hesitancy. raises questions where none need be. bad political management

I want to start by saying I would personally have voted for Obama for President (long story but I can't vote). I have seen a few assumptions that IF (I personally feel nothing will come of these Supreme Court cases) Obama was to be found "not to be a natural citizen" that Biden would become the President...BUT, if Obama is found to NOT be a natural citizen then that would make him ineligible for the Presidency then would that not make his choice for VP(Biden) become void? At this point Bush will still be in the presidency well into June (my understanding is there has been a presidency that has run past the Jan. 20 inauguration and went well into March). Remember people there are lots of agendas out there and who is to say (conspiracy alert) that a 30 year plan wasn't started on September 11, 1991 when Bush Sr. gave his famous NWO speech about a one world government, followed by a attack on American soil on September 11, 2001 (a pattern is emerging) that gave the president a chance to pass laws taking away many of the rights established by our Bill of Rights (not going into it here but search for yourself the Executive Orders signed by Bush since 911 and lets not get into the Patriot attack ...I mean Act[submitted, read, and agreed upon hours before the vote, resubmitted with huge differences, giving no time for ANYONE to have read it before signing it]) and when we are finally ready to be rid of Bush we start hearing about ineligibility of Obama which was declined by the Supreme Court months ago only to be resubmitted and to be heard on the 9th and 16th mere days before the official Inauguration. Remember 40 of our 43 Presidents have been Freemasons (more research ... aren't I a stinker) which simply CAN'T be a coincidence. Now realize Bush signed a proposal for 20,000 military troops to "police" our country in fear of riots from our "emerging depression" which will be in place in each state before the inauguration (which may not happen... I still think...aww neva mind) Obama not being "allowed" to be president will be turned on the government and "whites" who are of course ALL racist and against a African-"American" becoming President which will of course cause rioting by lets call them "Obamaites" fires will rage across our country, people(whites) being murdered in the streets total civil unrest which will "force" (by choice) Bush to call upon Marshall Law to enforce the turmoil in each state. So remember the agendas of "others" are far more insidious than YOU may think and don't let it come to this...End conspiracy theory. Don't you find it a coincidence that both McCain and Obama both had this ineligibility claim so no matter who would have won there would be this doubt that would of course lead to Bush remaining in office longer than he deserves (well we can't take the last eight years back but we can stop Bush from retaining the Presidency)

ROADMAP TO ADDRESS THE LOOMING CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS:

Since the Supreme Court has now prevented itself from acknowledging the question of whether Barack H. Obama is or is not an Article II ?natural born citizen? based on the Kenyan/British citizenship of Barack Obama?s father at the time of his birth (irrespective of whether Barack Obama is deemed a ?citizen? born in Hawaii or otherwise) as a prerequisite to qualifying to serve as President of the United States under the Constitution -- the Court having done so at least three times and counting, first before the Nov 4 general election and twice before the Dec 15 vote of the College of Electors -- it would seem appropriate, if not necessary, for all Executive Branch departments and agencies to secure advance formal advice from the United States Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel as to how to respond to expected inquiries from federal employees who are pledged to ?support and defend the Constitution of the United States? as to whether they are governed by laws, regulations, orders and directives issued under Mr. Obama during such periods that said employees, by the weight of existing legal authority and prior to a decision by the Supreme Court, believe in good faith that Mr. Obama is not an Article II ?natural born citizen?.

Moreover, each and every member of Congress should be notified that he or she is personally liable (can be sued) for his or her own failure, or the same in conspiracy with other members, to perform what is a ministerial and constitutional duty, that is, to require and/or insist that Presidential electoral votes only be counted for candidates who are ?natural born citizens? under Article II of the United States Constitution, the failure of which creates a cause of action for deprivation of claimants? constitutional rights (as allowed under the Bivens case) against employees of the Federal Government, in this case, to a lawful President and Commander in Chief, and therefore, for deprivation of adequate continuation of the United States as a Constitutional Republic. The constitutionally tortious conduct is not subject to congressional immunity and would be the jettison of Article II of the Constitution by failure to stop and/or object to the counting of electoral votes for Barack H. Obama who has admitted that at the time of his birth his father was a Kenyan/British citizen and not a citizen of the United States of America.

Finally, if 1/20/09 comes and goes with a usurper in the Whitehouse (that is, Obama is definitely NOT an Article II ?natural born citizen? -- dad Kenyan/British citizen at BHO?s birth -- albeit he MAY be a 14th Amendment ?citizen?) with usurper enablers in Congress and the Supreme Court ? God help us because many of the people will -- rightfully and under our Constitution and Declaration of Independence -- endeavor through other means to take back the Government from what is nothing less than a non-constitutional coup d?etat. (SCOTUS now does have the power to forestall that grim yet inevitable scenario, otherwise the blood and possible loss of our Constitutional Republic is SQUARELY ON THEIR HEADS.)

Below are two official emails that dispute the public version of Obama?s Birth and his mother?s marriage to BHO Sr.

From: pubrec@u.washington.edu [mailto:pubrec@u.washington.edu]

Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008

Subject: Re: Stanley "Ann" Dunham 1960 to 1970 class registration

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham (BHO II?s mom) was enrolled at the University of Washington for:

Autumn 1961

Winter 1962

Spring 1962

The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University?s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.

Madolyne Lawson

Office of Public Records

206-543-9180

From: Stuart Lau [mailto:stuartl@hawaii.edu]

Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008

Subject: Re: Inquiry

The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:

Dates of attendance:

Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)

Spring 1963 - Summer 1966

Fall 1972 - Fall 1974

Summer 1976

Spring 1978

Fall 1984 - Summer 1992

Degrees awarded:

BA - Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)

MA - Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)

PhD - Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)

Sincerely, Stuart Lau

****************************************

Stuart Lau

University Registrar

Office of Admissions and Records

University of Hawaii at Manoa

Ph: (808) 956-8010

****************************************

Commentary on University Emails?or Stop, Drop and Enroll:

For the BHO II Hawaiian Aug 4 1961 COLB to be accurate the following improbable events needed to occur:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack?s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by the only black African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands.

2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.

3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.

10 months after her first day at the U of HI, she delivers BHO II and immediately leaves her parents, her new husband, and her home, to fly alone with a newborn 2800 miles to Seattle to start college at the U of W.

Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard.

This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was supposedly married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.

There's something very fishy and very long-term planned, I think, in that, this year, MLK Day is (Not his birthday) the day before the Inaugural. What, are the Commies Who Be (Clinton?) planning on assassinating this perfect black/asian/liberal/Muslim/JFK Wannabe on that date, so as to have Race Wars, or something?

Same day as he claims he's going to release 10K copies of his "True Birth Certificate." Hawaiian Birth Records in is hospital, for injuries from having to sign so many, they say.

They say the same thing in Red China, when they put someone away to shut them up, "Hospitalization.." Hawaii is half-way to Red China, in EVERY WAY you could think of, just remember that. Lived there, know it.

The only other oddity I can think of is in that, I went to the same Marine Air Force Base, myself, as where he goes for Semper Fit lately, but I went for a special "Manchurian Candidate tune-up" for a "Study" I was used in while in US Army MI. Go to www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com to read more about CIA studies with "Human Bombs" and plastique micropellet siliconic implants I was made a Study for. (Wish they'd come get the stuff back & give me my promised back pay!)

Obama's too "Perfect" to be true...

"The Supreme Court has thrown this malarke out the door" ...

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 16, 2009.

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a505.htm DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 16, 2009.

...so the "malarke" has NOT been thrown out the door ... YET.

Everyone I see states that Obama HAS submitted the "proper form of certification to become the next President" however posting the documentation to a website does not constitute proper delivery of documentation. They say the document that was posted has been verified by the Hawaiian authorities but I've read the article many times and have never seen that they said he was born in Hawaii just that the form (certification and not certificate) they sent was authentic. The form was a certification (does not offer substantial proof of where he was born)and not a certificate (does offer the proof needed to establish he is a "natural born citizen)which are totally different forms. I've seen it stated that this form is adequate for identification for becoming the next President. The question then is if he didn't have this documentation and had to have it resent then how did he show proper forms for identification as proof that he was eligible for the Presidency to begin with. People have also stated that because he was Senator this "proves" he must have showed his documentation then but one does not need to prove being a "natural citizen" to become a Senator (being a natural citizen is not required to be a Senator but IS to be President)

Berg's case has already been dismissed by 2 different justices. He can submit it to all nine but they'll all come up with the same result and DENY cert. AND, it's scheduled for January 9 because the vote will be certified on January 8 , making Berg's case moot. that's why it's been scheduled that way. PS I didn't make this up, Alan Dershowitz from Boston was talking about it on local radio today. He said there's no hope of any of these suits to go anywhere and we should all get ready to celebrate obamas historical inauguration. "barf" but unfortunately he's absolutely right.

Every one hopeing to be rid of abamma,should realize,after what answers were given by the SCOTUS on the other cases in the past months, that this is a cover up by our government.WHY? There has to be a reason. Could it be that even the democratic party was conned by obamma,not to mention,the election committee, and every gov.official ,and maybe they all found out about obamma a long time ago. Maybe this con man has done this all through his life ,including colledge,and the senate and now our government won`t face the embarrassment of how weak the united states really is ,when it comes to security.NAW,I don`t think any of the above. I think it is MONEY,MONEY MONEY. Evey one knows BHO is not legal.and you know the proof is his refusing to produce his bc.The SCOTUS know it also. I think our own government is involved.There has to be more to this Bull%%%% story then meets the eye. There also has to be a reason why the media has covered this up? Again ,maybe our government has ordered this cover up. I think I just figured it all out. The answer is THE MOB*,who is also our government and has been taken over for quite some time.We are all doomed!!!!!!!! So get ready to get fu%%%% again.

The majority of people still do not know that to recieve a birth record in Hawaii all that is needed is for a relative (real or imaginary) of the person alleged to have been born in such and such a place, at such and such a time, to such and such parents to submit an affidavit stating that they are requesting a birth record for such and such a person, born in such and such a place to such and such parents. There is no other documentation required besides the affidavit.

Obama's sister was clearly born in Indonesia, was raised there several years and then returned to Hawaii and her COLB was waiting for her upon arrival. The Grandmother must have completed this process for both Obama and his sister, as their mother was not savy enough to understand the law of the islands, but Grandma it appears was very aware of them.

The SCOTUS needs to address this matter as being a natural born citizen should require more than just a child being born of an American Mother or Father if the birth was in a foreign land. If this is the case there are innumeral numbers of people that because they weren't from Hawaii or because they didn't know how to get a birth registration from an embassy or an American Counsel to be come naturalized to get clearance to even be in America.

This is a loophole so big a freight train could travel through. Many believe the SCOTUS needs to at least examine these issues and decide what it all means from a legal standpoint.

Obama of course hasn't wanted this discussed for obvious reasons, and he will probably even resist the Supreme Court if they ask for the documents. He will even treat them as though the matter has no bearing upon the election, whereas the Supreme Court at least needs to decide who in America would have standing to be permitted to know the actual sealed vault birth record of anyone wishing to become POTUS.

hm. thanks

Natural Born seems to be pretty straight forward when one follows the requirements as defined in how to obtain a Green Card and the Constitutional requirements for running for the POTUS.

In order to be natural born regardless of where Obama was born his Mother does not meet the requirement to satisfy his "natural-born" status. She must have been living in the US continuously for at least 5 years at the time of his birth and had to have reached the age of 21. She had not reached 21 yrs of age nor was her husband a citizen of the US at the time of his birth. BHO is not eligible to have been allowed to run for POTUS.

The big difference for all the others born in foreign lands of American parents is that they have not chosen to try and qualify for presidential candidancy. The requirements are different for all other government positions except POTUS and, I believe, VPOTUS, and Speaker of the House should their be a succession process.

Can any legal eagle advise me of better info???

Something of Interest, posted elsewhere on the Net:

?Discovery hearing re. Obama?s Kenyan BC, request for depositions of

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert

Gates scheduled for September 8th, 8am.

08/21/2009 44 MINUTES OF IN CHAMBERS ORDER by Judge David O. Carter:

ORDER SETTING SEPTEMBER 8, 2009 HEARING ONMOTIONS: (See document for

details.) In summary, the Court sets for hearing at 8:00 a.m. on

September 8, 2009, (1) the Discovery Motion, (2) the Service Notice,

and (3) the Ex Parte Application. All parties are ordered to be

present. The Clerk shall serve this minute order on all parties to the

action. (rla) (Entered: 08/21/2009)

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ALL elected officials of the Federal government - under the Constitution - swear to uphold the Constitution. Why are they now shirking their sworn responsibilities? Are they all afraid of this man? Or the machine that made him president? If so, what is it we don't know that makes them so damned afraid to touch this? It appears the SCOTUS would rather debate health care legislation, the "New Deal", the "Great Society", and/or laws put forward to reduce entitlement pay (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) rather than discuss this man's legitimate birth record. The real question here is... WHY? Frankly, the more they skirt from this the more I am convinced of the lack of legitimacy of this pseudo-presidency!!!!